Rope shrinkage from splicing

[allene]

I don't think there is anything wrong with a longer splice that I can think of other than more of the line is fat. Brion talks about using rope diameters instead of fid lengths so if it were me even though I was actually using the 7/16 fid I would measure with the 3/8 one. It sounded to me like the larger problem was that your splice was twice as long as it should be and I assumed that was because the fid and the instructions didn't match. You might want to read this:
http://www.briontoss.com/education/BTR_book.pdf

I have both the Samson fids and Brian's splicing want and I prefer the splicing wand.

I think he is using 24 diameters which is 240mm or 9.5 inches. Just Google "convert 240mm to inches" for your future reference. Check the link above to make sure where that is measured to and if it applies to your core dependent line or not.

Allen

[Brion Toss]

Hi again,
Partly you are victim of the World's Least Logical Measurement System, aka the Metric System, partly it appears that New England's instructions are in error, and partly, you are making stuff up on your own. Splice bury length should be determined by how much friction you need to generate to assure absolute security; bury less than that and you risk having the splice slip, and bury more than that and you weaken the rope and make the splicing process needlessly difficult. On halyards, you can also limit hoist height by having the splice reach the sheave sooner.
I use 48 diameters of the rope for covered HM fibers, and this corresponds roughly with the fid-length method, but is much easier, I believe, to calculate. And the formula actually works fine with the Metric system (10mm x 48 = 480mm = about 1ft 7"; 3/8" x 48 = 1ft 6"). Even if you had been splicing 7/16" rope the tail you are using seems way long, and that is because the New England on-line instructions specify "3 full fid lengths". Samson's chart corresponds to my 48 diameters. I need to see what New England has to say. Meanwhile, going to a larger fid size for a "safety factor" is to assume that a generous safety factor doesn't already exist; why would you do that? This is like making your standing rigging one size bigger before going offshore -- it sounds prudent, but has no logical basis, and can actually make things less safe.
In this case you started with someone else's mistake, and then amplified it completely off the chart, and wound up with your 8" shrinkage. I doubt that the splices you made are actually dangerous, but in the interests of an optimal splice, please use the proportions that thousands of splices have been shown to work. By learning to splice, you are joining a great and enduring community of artisans. Work with us.
Fair leads,
Brion Toss

[benz]

To make things up as I go along seems to be the theme of my whole existence. But who can resist such a passionate appeal? I will apply the 48 diameters and see what kind of shrinkage I get.
Cheerio!
Ben

[Brion Toss]

Hi again,
I've spoken with NE Ropes, and they maintain that they actually use 3 fid lengths for Spectra and Dyneema, because the materials are slipperier. This is news to me, as I've been using the same length for all HM rope for decades, and with fine results, on and off the testing machine. I'll keep you posted on the conversation. Meanwhile your Vectran is definitely not Spectra, so stay with the shorter tail. Lots of taper.
Fair leads,
Brion Toss

[benz]

Hi Brion,

I really appreciate your taking the time to call NE about this. This has been a really instructive thread for me, and I will forge ahead with new confidence. As to splice length, your experience carries my judgment, and I will do 48 diameters henceforth.
Thanks again,
Ben