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Old 01-16-2007, 08:26 PM
SV Papillon SV Papillon is offline
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Default Splicing

Not being one to push goods, however picking up a copy of the riggers apprentice would be worth your money. The shovel splice, line to chain, would be a fine first splice. Other than being time consuming it is very easy to do. The book is a worthy tool for future projects and you can always bring questions back the source, the author is the host.

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Old 01-20-2007, 05:44 AM
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Default shovel splice

Has anyone done any load testing on the shovel splice ? I have completed quite a few from braided line to chain that have given fine service (at least as far as I am aware), but never having done it on my own gear I wonder about the longevity and strength. I have always covered the whole 'sh-bang' (what else can one call a shovel splice?) with service of sorts to protect all the individual yarns.

It seems like getting even tension on all yarns in the rope is near impossible with the shovel splice. With a tucked or buried splice around a thimble , a very percise job can be done. This will of course only work if you have a large anchor roller and no windlass, like Ted.

Maybe the shovel splice is just as strong and secure as a large thimble and bury or tuck splice. Anybody KNOW ?

I would call Brion and order one of his 'keeper thimbles' if this were my problem...
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Old 01-20-2007, 10:58 AM
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I can only comment on what we had. Our line rode was our secoundary rode and was only set if we were in a particular place for a long time. We sat through a couple good blows where the line rode with the shovel splice was taking the brunt. Our secondary anchor was a aluminum fortress in one instance where it was loaded over night it took about an hour to free the anchor as it had set pretty hard, no visible signs of wear, broken yarns etc. I was reluctant to service the entire splice in an effort to let the yarns work themselves in giving a uniform load, just theory on my part, I have no idea if it was the case.

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Old 01-21-2007, 11:50 AM
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Default A strong reliable alternative solution

From an idea that I got from Brion about 4 years ago I have eliminated anchor gear thimbles. Dress the end link of your anchor chain so that the zinc coating presents no "pimples" or other mechanism that can cause chafe. Buy a length of double braid polyester (about 20 ft) that has a diameter will JUST fit through the end link of the chain (5/8 inch for a 3/8" chain for example).

Using directions in The Riggers Apprentice (or better yet view Brion's splicing DVD for the dynamic visualization) splice an eye in the end link of the anchor chain.

Splice an eye in the other end of the polyester anchor chain-to-rode interface pendant sufficiently large so as to accept two diameters of your rode.

Splice an eye in the end of your rode sufficiently large so as to accept two diameters of the polyester pendant.

Pass the bitter end of the rode through the polyester eye, pass the bitter end through the other end eye of the rode and snug it up. You then have a "square knot" looking connection formed by the two eyes intertwined together. This is STRONG.

The polyester will not stretch under load at the chain link and, therefore, you will experience almost no wear (other than what can be caused by dirt and grit if you don't keep it clean).

The result will pass through a hawse pipe that a sufficiently strong thimble will not and will be probably much stronger and longer lasting.
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Old 01-21-2007, 12:56 PM
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Three splices instead of one?
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Old 01-21-2007, 07:34 PM
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Default Three spliced instead of one?

Yes, absolutely! The result is stronger, more chafe resistant, and will not degrade the nylon as a thimble WILL do when under heavy surge and strain. When that happens you must resplice the eye on the thimble. The nylon literally fuses on the inside of the thimble (not visible to inspection) when that happens. This is because the nylon WILL stretch around the thimble and abraid creating heat.

With the two eyes joined by the nylon and polyester, there is a completely balanced tension in each of the four elements formed by the join (assuming that you followed the splicing directions correctly). Stretch due to the nylon characteristics is absorbed by the polyester in compression and almost no relative movement occurs to abraid the nylon, hence a longer lived tackle.
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Old 01-21-2007, 07:49 PM
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shovel splice = no thimble
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Old 01-21-2007, 08:04 PM
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Default The "catch" to a shovel splice

A shovel splice works, yet does not sufficiently reduce nylon stretch over the steel end of the chain and must be periodically replaced although perhaps not as often as a thimble eye must be replaced. That is why a polyester double braid "interface" between the steel chain and nylon works without the requirement of a periodic replacement.

I realize that many boaters do not experience extreme anchoring situations yet blue water cruisers often do. When that happens one must carefully prepare one's gear so that one can sleep with heavy waves passing beneath the hull and heavy wind blowing the hull around and that is when these types of splices (nylon shovel splice on a steel link or a thimble) must be replaced due to the degradation of the nylon line.

I believe that a shovel splice on the end of a chain would have less than an 80 percent of potential rode strength ultimately. The polyester "interface" solution results in a strength greater than 80% of the potential rode strength (when wet as well as dry) approaching 100%.
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