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Byterbit 04-24-2014 04:28 PM

Cracked the tang/toggle on the forestay; 50 foot Tayana FD-12 Cutter rigged sloop
 
Here's a note from a friend, rather far from home, with some issues:

50 foot Tayana FD-12 Cutter rigged sloop with a cracked the tang/toggle on the forestay, and the cutter stay beating in fairly mild conditions with a conservative sail plan. This is a masthead rigged cutter with upper and lower spreader bars. Backstay splits about 10ft off of the deck to two turnbuckles at the deck. Basically with the inner stay (removable) tensioned it imposes a bend on the mast going aft from the second spreader (where it connects) to the top of the mast (which is bent aft). This cutter does not have running backstays. It has the usual lower shrouds to the first spreader, then at the second spreader you have the innerstay fwd and two more that run aft, but not far aft, they share the same chainplate as the lower aft shrouds. This seems to be their answer to running backstays however even after giving them plenty of tension them the inner stay seems to bend that second spreader foward. Disconect the innerstay and the rig goes straight (er). SO my theory is that when sailing offshore with the cutter, as that sail loads and unloads with each wave, its 'pumps' the mast fore and aft, I think this and the rest of it getting loose (from a wet deck and not being sailed offshore for 10 years) caused the failures we had. I'm thinking the solution MIGHT be to tension the forestay to bring the masthead back forward but I'm not even sure I can get to a toggle (or maybe it has been backing off causing problems) since it is under the furler. further tightening on the back stay seems to impose the bend again starting at the second spreader going up to the masthead. If I try and take off the furler to investigate I may end up spending plenty at this expensive marina, as it may take some time plus it is a job I'm never comfortable with even though I've done it a few times SO the question is, am I correct to not want this mast to move very much at all under sail? Is flying the cutter going impose this bend and then cause a stress-loading on the forestay?

Brion Toss 04-25-2014 07:53 PM

Oy
 
Hello,
Let's back up a little: you have a cracked toggle. Nothing you have described can be utterly linked to that condition, and too many things that you haven't described could, so let's consider it separately first.
What kind of toggle is it? Options include double-jaw, strap, and forged. Do you have pictures? What is the toggle pin diameter? What is the diameter of the hole in that it attaches to? What is the wire diameter? What is the brand of furler? What is the tune on the backstay? On the aft intermediates? On the forestay (inner stay; let's call the masthead one the jibstay)? Where has the boat been in its life?
Get back on as many of those details as you can. Later we can move on to the rest of the system.
Fair leads,
Brion Toss

Byterbit 04-26-2014 08:40 PM

Very good of you to get back to me.
 
Very good of you to get back to me.
I’m not on the boat, and my friend has gone back out to sea and is now out of contact. I had no further word. I was relaying an email he CC’d me as he was trying to contact some mutual friends. I felt it couldn’t hurt to run this by as many people as possible. With some luck he’ll make landfall in a week to 10 days and I’ll post what I find out here.


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